Comments on: XULRunner Milestone Builds http://starkravingfinkle.org/blog/2008/03/xulrunner-milestone-builds/ Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:57:37 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: goehte http://starkravingfinkle.org/blog/2008/03/xulrunner-milestone-builds/#comment-5570 goehte Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:21:42 +0000 http://starkravingfinkle.org/blog/2008/03/xulrunner-milestone-builds/#comment-5570 Hello, on URL: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-mozilla-central/ I found a FF4 pre alpha realase. In that relase is a libary file called xul.dll. Is this the future vision of XULRunner2!? I think it is a nice vision to have only a xul.dll and the "xulrunner.exe" is only to start the application. Let's discuss... Hello,

on URL:
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-mozilla-central/
I found a FF4 pre alpha realase.

In that relase is a libary file called xul.dll. Is this the future vision of XULRunner2!?
I think it is a nice vision to have only a xul.dll and the “xulrunner.exe” is only to start the application.

Let’s discuss…

]]> By: Francis Gagné http://starkravingfinkle.org/blog/2008/03/xulrunner-milestone-builds/#comment-5422 Francis Gagné Tue, 04 Mar 2008 15:38:08 +0000 http://starkravingfinkle.org/blog/2008/03/xulrunner-milestone-builds/#comment-5422 Mark, I was not talking about updating XULRunner applications (I know it's possible, look at Songbird), I mean updating XULRunner itself using the same mechanism. However, these updates, when they will be available, should perhaps be presented in a different way to tell the user what is XULRunner (in case they installed it "bundled" with an application) and why it is important to update. Well, let's hope we'll have a stable shared runtime by XULRunner 2. Mark,

I was not talking about updating XULRunner applications (I know it’s possible, look at Songbird), I mean updating XULRunner itself using the same mechanism. However, these updates, when they will be available, should perhaps be presented in a different way to tell the user what is XULRunner (in case they installed it “bundled” with an application) and why it is important to update.

Well, let’s hope we’ll have a stable shared runtime by XULRunner 2.

]]> By: enefekt http://starkravingfinkle.org/blog/2008/03/xulrunner-milestone-builds/#comment-5421 enefekt Tue, 04 Mar 2008 13:03:39 +0000 http://starkravingfinkle.org/blog/2008/03/xulrunner-milestone-builds/#comment-5421 First of all, cool news Mark, thanks for the update. Second, true-dat on pd's last point. Impressive presentation that Alp had at FOSDEM. (Just read his blog post, wasn't there) First of all, cool news Mark, thanks for the update. Second, true-dat on pd’s last point. Impressive presentation that Alp had at FOSDEM. (Just read his blog post, wasn’t there)

]]> By: pd http://starkravingfinkle.org/blog/2008/03/xulrunner-milestone-builds/#comment-5420 pd Tue, 04 Mar 2008 12:41:43 +0000 http://starkravingfinkle.org/blog/2008/03/xulrunner-milestone-builds/#comment-5420 FWIW, I really hope Mozilla knows what it's giving up by not really supporting XULrunner. For example, do they realise they are allowing competitors to take a potential market and justification for ongoing gecko development from them: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080303-creating-rich-internet-applications-on-linux-with-webkit.html WebKit + GTK WebKit + Qt WebKit + AIR There's got to be a lot of opportunity lost in those three alone. FWIW, I really hope Mozilla knows what it’s giving up by not really supporting XULrunner. For example, do they realise they are allowing competitors to take a potential market and justification for ongoing gecko development from them:

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080303-creating-rich-internet-applications-on-linux-with-webkit.html

WebKit + GTK
WebKit + Qt
WebKit + AIR

There’s got to be a lot of opportunity lost in those three alone.

]]> By: pd http://starkravingfinkle.org/blog/2008/03/xulrunner-milestone-builds/#comment-5419 pd Tue, 04 Mar 2008 11:04:37 +0000 http://starkravingfinkle.org/blog/2008/03/xulrunner-milestone-builds/#comment-5419 Finklester what happened to the JS 'glue' code you mentioned that would make it easy to use third party libraries within XULrunner? Seems there was a fair bit of "oh great, ActiveX again" thrown at ya about it. Is that preventing it from going any further? Finklester what happened to the JS ‘glue’ code you mentioned that would make it easy to use third party libraries within XULrunner?

Seems there was a fair bit of “oh great, ActiveX again” thrown at ya about it. Is that preventing it from going any further?

]]> By: Laurentj http://starkravingfinkle.org/blog/2008/03/xulrunner-milestone-builds/#comment-5417 Laurentj Tue, 04 Mar 2008 09:09:29 +0000 http://starkravingfinkle.org/blog/2008/03/xulrunner-milestone-builds/#comment-5417 XulRunner is used a lot in France, in some public and internal projects in some companies. So it's a very very good news ! Thanks Mozilla ! XulRunner is used a lot in France, in some public and internal projects in some companies. So it’s a very very good news ! Thanks Mozilla !

]]> By: pd http://starkravingfinkle.org/blog/2008/03/xulrunner-milestone-builds/#comment-5416 pd Tue, 04 Mar 2008 07:58:21 +0000 http://starkravingfinkle.org/blog/2008/03/xulrunner-milestone-builds/#comment-5416 Perhaps there is already one, but I'd really like to see a quintessential (I like using big words :) ) XULrunner hello world. It should include: 1. Where to download the code 2. What tools are a) required, b) helpful 3. How to write a simple application such as a rudimentary open file, edit text, save file texteditor. Something even simpler than Notepad. This should include full details on the XUL required as well as the JS and such. The article should *not* just pass people off to related sites like devmo or xulplanet. Reference those but include the required code inline. 4. How to compile the code 5. How to wrap the resulting baby up in a nice friendly installer Perhaps pieces of this puzzle already exist, but there is no one simple source. Perhaps not. If there are suggestions where I can get this information I would would love to read them, test them from a never-written-a-desktop-app developer's point of view, and see what comes out. Hooray that the change of management at Mozilla seems to have finally resulted in the org 'seeing the light' that is XULrunner as a cross-platform application environment. Perhaps there is already one, but I’d really like to see a quintessential (I like using big words :) ) XULrunner hello world. It should include:

1. Where to download the code
2. What tools are a) required, b) helpful
3. How to write a simple application such as a rudimentary open file, edit text, save file texteditor. Something even simpler than Notepad. This should include full details on the XUL required as well as the JS and such. The article should *not* just pass people off to related sites like devmo or xulplanet. Reference those but include the required code inline.
4. How to compile the code
5. How to wrap the resulting baby up in a nice friendly installer

Perhaps pieces of this puzzle already exist, but there is no one simple source. Perhaps not. If there are suggestions where I can get this information I would would love to read them, test them from a never-written-a-desktop-app developer’s point of view, and see what comes out.

Hooray that the change of management at Mozilla seems to have finally resulted in the org ’seeing the light’ that is XULrunner as a cross-platform application environment.

]]> By: Preed http://starkravingfinkle.org/blog/2008/03/xulrunner-milestone-builds/#comment-5415 Preed Tue, 04 Mar 2008 07:22:50 +0000 http://starkravingfinkle.org/blog/2008/03/xulrunner-milestone-builds/#comment-5415 I am happy and relieved to see this tracked in bug 415180. I am a bit confused by the lack of "pong" in the bug that would confirm the availability of bandwidth, and thus the understanding that there is a stated commitment to completing these additional beta4 deliverables in a timely manner (i.e. 14+ days, which is what it is taking to get recent Thunderbird <i>security</i> releases out the door after Firefox may or may not be considered "timely"). If that's not a possibility or the bandwidth isn't available—and again, I can't stress the importance of a clear answer on this—it would be prudent to start discussing how the Community can help now, not after b4 ships. Incidentally, is this a one-off "for b4 only"-thing, or is this a commitment to add XULRunner as a standard deliverable, which is to be shipped for all Firefox-coincident releases? I am happy and relieved to see this tracked in bug 415180.

I am a bit confused by the lack of “pong” in the bug that would confirm the availability of bandwidth, and thus the understanding that there is a stated commitment to completing these additional beta4 deliverables in a timely manner (i.e. 14+ days, which is what it is taking to get recent Thunderbird security releases out the door after Firefox may or may not be considered “timely”).

If that’s not a possibility or the bandwidth isn’t available—and again, I can’t stress the importance of a clear answer on this—it would be prudent to start discussing how the Community can help now, not after b4 ships.

Incidentally, is this a one-off “for b4 only”-thing, or is this a commitment to add XULRunner as a standard deliverable, which is to be shipped for all Firefox-coincident releases?

]]> By: Question http://starkravingfinkle.org/blog/2008/03/xulrunner-milestone-builds/#comment-5414 Question Tue, 04 Mar 2008 05:43:51 +0000 http://starkravingfinkle.org/blog/2008/03/xulrunner-milestone-builds/#comment-5414 Xulrnner as the core of mozilla (in the future?) I think , should be a 1. platform that has many applications based on it. 2. platform that may easily embedding as uBrowser and babelgum do. 3. shared runtime shipped with all kinds of linux os. ------ I don't know whether I'm on the right approach to think about it. But as a front-end developer, I think it's really urgent. Xulrnner as the core of mozilla (in the future?) I think , should be a
1. platform that has many applications based on it.
2. platform that may easily embedding as uBrowser and babelgum do.
3. shared runtime shipped with all kinds of linux os.
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I don’t know whether I’m on the right approach to think about it. But as a front-end developer, I think it’s really urgent.

]]> By: Mark Finkle http://starkravingfinkle.org/blog/2008/03/xulrunner-milestone-builds/#comment-5413 Mark Finkle Tue, 04 Mar 2008 05:15:50 +0000 http://starkravingfinkle.org/blog/2008/03/xulrunner-milestone-builds/#comment-5413 Question Separating the development of XULRunner (platform) and Firefox might be a something to explore in the future, but it isn't happening anytime soon. However, we can get more XULRunner projects (Songbird, Miro, Komodo, Thunderbird, Mozilla Mobile & and others) focusing on the platform so that non-Firefox projects become more active in the platform codebase. An example of this is Firefox 3 on some Linux distros is shipping as "Firefox on XULRunner". This has helped get some new functionality in the platform. Question

Separating the development of XULRunner (platform) and Firefox might be a something to explore in the future, but it isn’t happening anytime soon. However, we can get more XULRunner projects (Songbird, Miro, Komodo, Thunderbird, Mozilla Mobile & and others) focusing on the platform so that non-Firefox projects become more active in the platform codebase.

An example of this is Firefox 3 on some Linux distros is shipping as “Firefox on XULRunner”. This has helped get some new functionality in the platform.

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