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	<title>Comments on: XULRunner Session &#8211; Summit 2008</title>
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		<title>By: just bread</title>
		<link>http://starkravingfinkle.org/blog/2008/08/xulrunner-session-summit-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-7330</link>
		<dc:creator>just bread</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 20:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To the Point:
- Improved tool support (IDE)

Have a look at the Pencil Project: http://www.evolus.vn/Pencil/Home.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the Point:<br />
- Improved tool support (IDE)</p>
<p>Have a look at the Pencil Project: <a href="http://www.evolus.vn/Pencil/Home.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.evolus.vn/Pencil/Home.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mozpad Post Mortem &#171; davidwboswell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mozpad Post Mortem &#171; davidwboswell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 04:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] There&#8217;s a lot of interest and ethusiasm around this topic and hopefully we&#8217;ll see some increased activity around XULRunner [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] There&#8217;s a lot of interest and ethusiasm around this topic and hopefully we&#8217;ll see some increased activity around XULRunner [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Micheil</title>
		<link>http://starkravingfinkle.org/blog/2008/08/xulrunner-session-summit-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-7149</link>
		<dc:creator>Micheil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hmm.. I just got an idea for xulrunner applications and updating:
  would it be possible, being that xulrunner is currently in a subdirectory of most applications folders, to have xulrunner update, and then have the application it&#039;s self release updates?

In otherwords, two independent updates. The way to work around incompatibility there would be to auto generate a list of functions, or xpcom calls the application makes, and then check it against a list of changes, if an update has been provide to xulrunner that breaks a component, then the application doesn&#039;t update xulrunner, but tells the user that the application may be compromised, as it isn&#039;t compatible with the latest xulrunner.

So a basic flow of that system would be:
application -&gt; check for updates:

-&gt; xulruner -&gt; updates ? no; return : yes, download list of changes -&gt; check compatibility -&gt; is compatible ? no, return ; yes, continue updating xulrunner.

-&gt; application -&gt; updates ? no, return ; yes -&gt; check compatibility with installed xulrunner -&gt; is compatible ? no, return ; yes -&gt; download and install.

Hopefully this makes sense; it does at the time of writing, and it&#039;d mean that you know longer need to release a new version of your application when xulrunner is updated, if there aren&#039;t issues.

That&#039;s my thoughts, anyone else?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmm.. I just got an idea for xulrunner applications and updating:<br />
  would it be possible, being that xulrunner is currently in a subdirectory of most applications folders, to have xulrunner update, and then have the application it&#8217;s self release updates?</p>
<p>In otherwords, two independent updates. The way to work around incompatibility there would be to auto generate a list of functions, or xpcom calls the application makes, and then check it against a list of changes, if an update has been provide to xulrunner that breaks a component, then the application doesn&#8217;t update xulrunner, but tells the user that the application may be compromised, as it isn&#8217;t compatible with the latest xulrunner.</p>
<p>So a basic flow of that system would be:<br />
application -&gt; check for updates:</p>
<p>-&gt; xulruner -&gt; updates ? no; return : yes, download list of changes -&gt; check compatibility -&gt; is compatible ? no, return ; yes, continue updating xulrunner.</p>
<p>-&gt; application -&gt; updates ? no, return ; yes -&gt; check compatibility with installed xulrunner -&gt; is compatible ? no, return ; yes -&gt; download and install.</p>
<p>Hopefully this makes sense; it does at the time of writing, and it&#8217;d mean that you know longer need to release a new version of your application when xulrunner is updated, if there aren&#8217;t issues.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s my thoughts, anyone else?</p>
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		<title>By: arno.</title>
		<link>http://starkravingfinkle.org/blog/2008/08/xulrunner-session-summit-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-7111</link>
		<dc:creator>arno.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 22:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure exactly what you mean about command line scaffold generator, but if you mean a command line to generate a working minimial xulrunner project, I&#039;ve made some steps in that direction already:
http://www.fdn.fr/~arenevier/mozilla/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure exactly what you mean about command line scaffold generator, but if you mean a command line to generate a working minimial xulrunner project, I&#8217;ve made some steps in that direction already:<br />
<a href="http://www.fdn.fr/~arenevier/mozilla/" rel="nofollow">http://www.fdn.fr/~arenevier/mozilla/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brian King</title>
		<link>http://starkravingfinkle.org/blog/2008/08/xulrunner-session-summit-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-7110</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 19:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian : that extension lives for Firefox as well, but I am not sure how up-to-date it is.

http://ted.mielczarek.org/code/mozilla/extensiondev/

At Mozdev we are working on an initiative to get more tools into one place and keep them maintained.

Mark, RE Patch Gardening. Do you envision a new role for someone in the community doing this. It does not necessarily need to be full-time. It could be possibly sponsored by MoFo and/or a group of interested parties working together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian : that extension lives for Firefox as well, but I am not sure how up-to-date it is.</p>
<p><a href="http://ted.mielczarek.org/code/mozilla/extensiondev/" rel="nofollow">http://ted.mielczarek.org/code/mozilla/extensiondev/</a></p>
<p>At Mozdev we are working on an initiative to get more tools into one place and keep them maintained.</p>
<p>Mark, RE Patch Gardening. Do you envision a new role for someone in the community doing this. It does not necessarily need to be full-time. It could be possibly sponsored by MoFo and/or a group of interested parties working together.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian McKellar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian McKellar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 18:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Re: tools&lt;/b&gt;

One of the Songbirders, Matt has written a &lt;i&gt;Songbird Developer Tools&lt;/i&gt; extension that bundles together and adapts a couple of Firefox extension but adds a really neat Extension developer wizard that let&#039;s you build a skeleton extension with the integration points you want built into it. I&#039;ve been hacking on Mozilla for over seven years now, but I still find myself using that to create extension. It could be adapted beyond Songbird to be a generic addon skeleton extension.

http://addons.songbirdnest.com/addon/68</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Re: tools</b></p>
<p>One of the Songbirders, Matt has written a <i>Songbird Developer Tools</i> extension that bundles together and adapts a couple of Firefox extension but adds a really neat Extension developer wizard that let&#8217;s you build a skeleton extension with the integration points you want built into it. I&#8217;ve been hacking on Mozilla for over seven years now, but I still find myself using that to create extension. It could be adapted beyond Songbird to be a generic addon skeleton extension.</p>
<p><a href="http://addons.songbirdnest.com/addon/68" rel="nofollow">http://addons.songbirdnest.com/addon/68</a></p>
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